Thanks for some new information, excellent analysis of the photo! The 3 of them died shortly after being in contact with the girls. Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. Most of the pictures taken on April 8 are of complete darkness while some show the jungle floor, but two pictures are alarming: one is a picture of some of the girls belongings on a rock, and the other shows the back of Kremerss head with what appears to be a bloodstain in her hair. That could just be confirmation bias on my part. I wouldnt give mine out to my best friend, not even to my wife. And hen you have body parts belonging to other persons also found with these girls. Have you managed to obtain a copy? Theres not a lot of information about the gangs in the Boquete area. Nothing can explain the bones, the cut foot, their underwear in one of the backpacks. And one of the branches near the middle appears to have scales or a pattern not natural to a tree branch. I think its possible the red and black object is actually just a reddish-brown dead plant leaf jungle leaves can get rather large. After the alarm was raised on April 2, a search party was sent to look for them but nothing was found until ten weeks later when a local woman who found Froons blue backpack turned it in to authorities. ): https://ibb.co/nqy80hS We do not know what other clothing or items they possibly took. Minha Querida menina. I think that Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon underestimated their surroundings and were ill prepared for this adventure. Ive removed their comment and blocked them from reposting. OmgIm staring at this pic. I think this photo in particular is odd. My sole concern is for the young women who lost their lives for absolutely no reason. In a mind-blowing theory, Dick Steffens, a former detective in Amsterdam, claimed Kris could still be alive after she was trafficked into the sex trade by a kidnapper roaming in the jungle. So that is what she discovered here. Many hikers from all over the world disappear, fall,or suffer other fatalaccidents while traveling-this could've happened to these women as well. Two intelligent girls could not be veering off course to this dense vegetation on their own accord. Has anyone gone back to the spot where the photo was taken? In fact, to bring a dog for a walk is less common in general, because most dogs are permitted to go outside anytime they want. But they are hurt and they are lost. Excellent editing work, thanks to Justin. For the next four days they travel. The girls went for a swim in a rock pool. December 20, 2022. There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. Your email address will not be published. There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. From my understanding, the various teams communicate with each other about which parts of the case they are investigating, and collaborate occasionally to share information. The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. I believe one fell. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. This photo has been edited. . A table of photo data from their hike on El Pianista Trail: New Case Data: Timestamps Of Missing Daytime Photos. It does look like a manmade structure. Jalisco prosecutors said that three people still seem to be missing after a gang kidnapped a group of tourists at the Pacific resort of Puerto Vallarta earlier this month. THANK GOD SOMEONE IS SEEING WHAT I SEE. She realizes she has to try to find the river and decides to leave at dawn. I also think those girls probably already perished before the dates on those daytime photos. They lose their money and leave Panama with their lives. With regards to the photos, they are probably real. Sometimes that is all that is found. The roof or cover is not substantial enough to keep out rain but it could work as camouflage from the air. Kris Kremers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22, were hiking near the town of. Theyre also exceptionally rugged and dangerous, especially during the April-to-October wet season. They took the dog with them on the walk and it came back the next morning but they didnt there had to have been some clues maybe like how far could the dog have gone and still find its way back home? The students' phone records also tragically revealed how they desperately tried to call the police. I was definitely thinking it looks like her hands might be tied behind her back here. After investigating further, I discovered this article from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-01-18/cult-anointed-by-god-kills-7-in-panama-jungle, The LA Times article states The sect arose after a villager returned to the community several months ago following a stint abroad, bringing back unusual religious beliefs with him.. It was taken on the Continental Divide on April 1st, 2014 with the recorded time: 13:20:32. Something drastic happened it is clear but what exactly and where exactly? Im not expecting any major reveals from Pitti shell probably just reinforce her previous statements with more insights. Also the path looks to be a dried up river vs a man made path. Beyond that, the police are even suspect in altering evidence and not preserving it. If you are sending an SOS message then they are received 24 hours a day. And more on this most people in Latin America that permit their dog to walk freely do not keep track of where their dog goes. I think its very possible that someone was with them or joined them along the way at some point. So sad what happened to them today is the first Ive heard of the story and its wildly upsetting. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. The hand painted insignia looks more like a face to me.. Their families went to the police to. So this sparked my curiosity. Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. That photo was wiped clean from the SD card, which is a strong clue that someone deleted it after the other photos were taken. A disturbing set of photographs are at the center of a mystery of the disappearance and death of two young women in Panama and local authorities are currently bewildered by a conspicuously missing photo file on their SD card. It would also show that the photos had been truly messed about with, as this one is supposed to come before the photos of her crossing the stream. Who said they didnt? Bu that he meant an outcome which had no human input to the consequences. Thats why Kris stops in photos once in a while as if to say this way, right?. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. It looks as if there is a guy standing off the edge in the tunnel. Perhaps it was created by locals in the region. In all of the photos, there is zero evidence to suggest that the dog was truly with the girls on their hike into the forest. I would think they had to be pretty far into the jungle to have come across that slat roof structure. Only a handful of the pictures retrieved from the memory card showed clear images, with most showing near-complete darkness. Experts proposed several theories about how and why the women took thesephotos. My interest would be to see if its scientifically possible for the official theory to have happened. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. So easily noticeable. Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). I believe the backpack was placed near the river in order to indicate where the remains would be found (like a flag), and perhaps the backpack was provided in hopes to receive the reward money, and the location of the backpack meant that searches would move to a different location (potentially because the police were too close to the suspects at the time). Where is the Ping for that time? It would be interesting to see a map of possible mobile blackspots because it seems where ever they were IF STATIONARY then they were on the extreme edge or reception dependent on atmospherics. Also, the other ones arent covered by man-made support structures. Hi Chris, I agree that discussion should be civil but this comment section has turned into something which I consider to be absolutely ridiculous. I cant explain it but again it resembles so many of the bizarre cases which author and former cop David Paulides has brought (thousands of these similar events) right here in the US and Canada. The smooth rocks would further back that theory up and the blue trash could have just washed up thereperhaps. Im very impressed. Are you familiar with the Koude Kaas blogs about this case? after studying the original photo, she is actually posing sticking her tongue out, in a slight hunched over salute, the light is hitting her hand, her pose and demeanor makes me believe it is Lisanne taking the photo. People have long realized that its up to the public to solve this. I would like to know the answer to that question also. Id love to know if these pics exsist. Even a subtle untimely laugh behind a mans back in Latin America can create a hostile situation if the women were alone later. They talk as if it would be difficult to branch off the trail, but maybe they did not notice other paths that could have been taken? According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. I also see the handing ornament, whatever that is called and definitely a roof structure with leaves and branches above her. I dont see what the writer sees at all. The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. Subsequent analysis revealed that on April 4, Froons phone battery became exhausted, but between April 5 and April 11, Kremers iPhone was turned on multiple times but whoever turned it on didnt enter the PIN code correctly. It is the poor color quality of the photograph with oversaturated reds that has people thinking they are seeing skulls and carcasses. The internet does not have the most crucial information about the case. Well be mapping the trails with a GPS device, searching for the location of the night photos and capturing aerial footage of the rivers in the region. One showed Kremers with what looked like concern on her face,dated around the time of the emergency calls. Forced disappearance. I have seen comment to suggest that they could have made the trip to the divide returned and then gone to another place but then why no more fotos on either phone or camera? Depending on how many mobile towers there are the police should have information. No,they werent murdered. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. I have watched so much about this case and this is the first time I have heard that the parents withheld photos. If anything, that is an evidence that they were taking more risks than a regular tourist/hiker, so being lost and/or injured seems to me much more reasonable explanation (than murdered) based on that. (who knows why). and then found by someone and then the real nightmare started. The Velleman family had been in touch with several Wisconsin and Illinois representatives as they sought assistance from the U.S. government in the search and recovery effort. This is a fake and the pixellation errors can be seen up close (the gap in the crook of her right arm is IN FRONT OF her). They make no sense in spite of the speculation. Hi Marie, Theres no evidence that points to the dog being with them. Alex Humphrey disappeared . Kris had her doubts but was jollied along by the more trusting girl. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. What do you think? There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? Right on the bank of the river/stream. Granted, other dangers certainly exist and thats why we can only speculate about what happened to them. Let me know about your opinion heres the link https://youtu.be/4wqUCG5bxns loads of greetings Mel. Eventually theyll have to confront these issues or nobody will visit and expats/immigrants/investors will leave. Its part of life in the countryside and small towns. https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CJKQMGxJ1Kc/XH7ld3XtSnI/AAAAAAAAjOg/kechIb5Cge8msf5kRVinBCrEjIiBCl7TwCLcBGAs/s1600/7reCdlm.jpg, Actually heres uncompressed upscaled original image (upscaled and color corrected with AI). The phones showed that just hours after the beginning of their hike, someone dialed 112 and then 911. I dont understand the question. Jane, Recently I have been reading that it is not unusual for people that hike or run in dangerous places and go missing that a shoe with a foot is found. The parallel side-supports would have been covered with leaves in order to make a suitable temporary roof. After days reviewing the evidence, Im now going to share a synopsis of what I believe happened there in the deep, dark cloud forest of Panama. Shes describing the things youve noticed on the pic!!!! No replies are deleted except in rare cases of spam, inappropriate language/links, or disrespect to another contributor. Yes, the photo data was manipulated. They keep trying to call emergency. I think in the original photo she is putting on her backpack, stretching her arm and back, and the backpack has been airbrushed out because of course she didnt take that with her. If Kris were injured and they couldnt use the phone, then why didnt Lisanne go get help? Central America is notably inexpensive, free spirited, less commercialized and is typically hospitable to travelers, therefore many travelers from around the world seek these adventures. And the black mark on her face. The guide had something to do with the girls disappearance. In the Americas, more than 6,200 people have been reported dead or missing during migration since 2014. Perhaps the truth will come out someday. Like local tribesmen. I hope you understand my english, im not a native speaker. Fortunately, theres a lot of work still underway from private investigators and researchers. This would mean that this photo possibly shows the entrance to a cave leading inside the wall of rock behind it. Often, they. However, if Kremers and Froon had found manmade ramshackle structures during their hike, such as the possible items viewed in this photo, its possible they had unwanted company. The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. So, their work was good but not perfect. Hi Lisa, I wrote an in-depth analysis of Kriss bones here: The government officials involved failed at providing a thorough analysis/evaluation. His . Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. That is the big picture of this case. While the case has since been declared closed by both the Panamanian and Dutch authorities (who worked on . The authors told The Daily Beast: "It actually came as a surprise to us too, but our conclusion had to be that it was an accident. Its almost as if Kris is in the midst of turning back around at the moment this photo is taken, due to the foliage becoming too dense to proceed any further. Do they know more than we do? Nothing more sinister than that. Check out David Paulidess accounts of people who go missing every day in state parks. Two journalists take the same hike the girls took. It is clear they contributed much to this by their actions. The grimace on Kris face is because she is in pain. The 29-year-old from Stockport vanished on 14 August near a beauty spot in Panama. She turns to talk Lisanna I suspect some are aware of these things but want to cover it up. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. Exhausted and waited somewhere near water for days. Thanks for your comment. The hanging object and other points of interest you highlighted reminded me of this. No accident. Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? Perhaps Kris fell first and Lisanne heard her scream and running in fell herself. 3. Indeed it does not even accidentally appear. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. The first thing that strikes me as very odd in this photograph and I think I havent seen anyone pointing that out yet -, is a specific number. You have to look hard. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. & the way the local police handled it seems so botched making it stranger, & why keep some pictures hidden from the public still, especially if the case is closed now? RIP sweet girls. This was a real disappointment, the entry continued. But arent there the subsequent photos of Kris Kremers crossing the stream and so the developments may have occurred after this picture 505? Their story captivated me for some reason. Looking forward to reading what Bethzaida Pitti comes out with in the book she is co-authoring about the case. I could go on and on. Of course these generalities and cultural traits do not apply to everyone here. Machismo culture is very real and respect is considered to hold a higher level of importance in Latin America. Vittorio Caruso. But I still had that curiosity. Seems weird. The illusion of her being tied and in distress is nothing more than that. But what if that is what led them off track ? Brought to trial and prosecuted successfully: highly unlikely, less than 1%. Lets try one more time then (and please dont censor this, even if you think that it is not pretty murders rarely are! I dissagree with her hand beeing tied. Given that most people crop off the top of this image, people would have missed the findings that I mention below. Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. Perhaps a piece of a tarp or a wrapper? There are shots of them exploring the jungle on April 1 which appear to show that all is well. Once they examined the phones, investigators unraveled a confusing and grim timeline. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your interest in the case. There are some walls of rock in an area which I think is called los Naranjos, not too far from the Pianista trail (relatively speaking) and is where people go climbing. And if there would be any clue in them that the girls were hurt intentionally, the parents would not stop being vocal about it. Several of the relatives and friends of those visitors to the Quintana Roo who went missing formed a group named "Truth, Memory, and Justice" in an attempt to . Im very curious Ive heard rumors but have never found verified information. They didnt take anything with them for more than 1 or 2 hours max journey. And theyre gaining steam in recent years. There are flaws in the manipulations, such as the photo timeline, the inconsistent resolutions, the missing photo (or video), the red lines on the shirt, incorrect shadow positioning, etc. Of course there is room for healthy and rational speculation surrounding what happened but the vast majority of these theories are absolutely ridiculous and downright disrespectful. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . Were their phones not able to text? From the summit, they decided to go in a bit deeper, or just took the wrong exit path by mistake. Theres no telling how many people touched it before the police got it. A Panamanian search and rescue team helped recover the bodies after more than 690 hours of searching, authorities said. The indigenous people know how to use phones watch the Kinga documentary. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families.