The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM In fact, a sound, fundamental hold on the club is the first step in setting up for a technically sound golf swing. One good example comes to mind. Here are the different ways fitters change the lie angle of a club: A club can either be bent to an upright position (toe higher than heel) or flat (toe lower than heel) usually in increments of 1 or 2 degrees. 716 MB'S. Golfers can see their spin rate drop thousands of RPMs from the rough (depending on the rough and type of lie), so being able to keep their shots in the air with enough spin to stop the ball on the green can be a huge part of helping them shoot lower scores. A Good Fit for a Clubfitter is the Post Fit. The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. 4-AW with juiced lofts is the same set as an old 3-PW that would probably be 22*-48*. PING Forged wedges In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. For this discussion, lets define proficiency as the level where you can reasonably expect to move the ball around the course efficiently and consistently enough to shoot 90 or better, though your own goals might be somewhere lower. So I hit my standard 50 yard pitch with a 54* wedge. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 Upload or insert images from URL. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). Strengthening the loft should decrease the effective offset shouldn't it? TaylorMade Rsi TP 3-PW (1.5* strong) NS-Pro MOdus 3 tour130 X For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Balls: Chrome Soft, Kirkland Signature 3pc, Srixon Q Star Tour, Grip preference: various GripMaster leather options. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. Your email address will not be published. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW What to consider when bending golf clubs. By See below the make percentage for an average golfer from varying distances. The 2 that were out the most went from 'avoided' clubs to 'favourites'! Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. 1 for 1, loft for bounce. On GI long irons vs players irons have different width soles, are the effects of bounce differ between the two if the loft is a degree stronger? Will I be digging too much? Seems that the article could have suggested that for higher swing speed players, the stronger lofts and COG location is necessary to not have the ball shoot straight up. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. I am constantly amazed at how many golfers are trying to play the game with a fundamentally unsound hold of the club. I am a club fitter also and see this every day. December 27, 2014 in Club Making/Repair & DIY Projects. I believe that you can't really bend your irons too much but to accommodate I am thinking of bending my AP2s 1 degree stronger and AP3s 1 degree weaker so that I have better gaping. Clear editor. Uneven lies can vary more than an inch, and based on club geometry that is 1.6* right there, and I can't say I had much effect on the playability of the club. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X Sounds like it's a long iron. Yes, I'm a club gigolo. Is that ok? Product Instructions & Manuals Military. TaylorMade Aero Burner TP 15 / Matrix White Tie 70-X You might find that you ask yourself if you are better or worse than the average golfer? Seriously. 00bolt, September 12, 2016 in WRX Club Techs. It is common for a golfer with a swing speed of 70-to-80 mph or less to hit the ball with a lower trajectory than what is considered ideal. Club Repair Seminar shows golfers the importance of checking the specs.. The Ever Changing Bag! I did this to reduce the spin rate. database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" After a quick gapping review we bent 2 clubs and tried those out which gave a good base to work from. My old callway x forged dug more than my bent mp-4's. If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. Can someone please discuss the advantages and disadvantages of increasing loft on an iron by 2 degrees? The one with a ballflight too high, is delivering the clubhead One good example comes to mind. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Having spent a lot of his childhood in Hawaii and now on a course that will reward his best asset, Grant can justify this snippet from a recent interview: Fortunately for me, I grew up in the wind.. - Chick Evans, Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons, Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper, I will add a little to what was posted above. The risk that the club will break at the hosel is too high. You will see it often when a pro, for example, will eliminate his 4 iron from the set and they may strengthen their 5 iron a degree or two and weaken their 3 iron a degree or two to even out the gaps. Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Due to how DeChambeau delivers the club, his 4-iron has a stated loft of 16 degrees; the stock Ping i230 comes in at 22.5 degrees. If you're a digger already, could make for deeper digging! Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. You won't notice it. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? Sounds like it's a long iron. The main reason it is done on GolfWRX is so people can brag how far they hit their irons, generally with a passive brag. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. By NYonce. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. You might as well get a distance gap before bending. I changed my Apex pro 19 2 degrees strong. Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. Powered by Invision Community. Putters have the least loft, usually from 2 to 4 degrees. The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. Lots of good comments here. What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. That is only if the area you are going to contact the ball moves up on the face as a result of bending, the lower portion of the face will move backwards when bent strong. You cannot paste images directly. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. If anything I am a digger in the golf swing. Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. Good info to pass along regarding COG. The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. I reckon for every 1 degree off it takes about 250 off the spin. I dont pretend to be an expert, or even close. I would advise you to not try it yourself unless you have experience in doing so professionally. Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. I bent them 4 degrees strong to keep my flight down as I hit moon balls with my X700 shafts hardstepped X3 ", Ping G400 Testing G410. I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. I have a 2 iron bent 2 strong to 16. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Guess I dont get it. And its one of only two elements of the golf swing that require absolutely no physical skills. of distance, and more playable iron trajectories. No matter what your skill level, you will not optimize your performance with outdated or ill-fitted golf clubs. The swing is dynamic and I seriously doubt that I can hit two balls on the course exactly the same, with my body being exactly in the same position every time. You dont need to bend the clubs. **. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X The palms should be aligned, that is so that the two Vs formed by your thumb and forefinger should point in the same direction, whether a bit weak or strong from the neutral position. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. I have to explain that the design allows the iron to have a stronger loft. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. You can be assured there is not a single successful player in the professional ranks who does not have a fundamentally sound grip on the club. An Aussie with a residence in Scottsdale, playing on a windy coastal track this is a great chance. 5 Testers Needed! ENTER NOW! I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. There you can see exactly what it takes to be an average amateur golfer. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. Reduce the loft & you reduce the bounce which, on the longer clubs, is quite small anyway. It wasn't so much the distance I was concerned with but that I hit it a bit too high with a normal swing and it caused some issues on windy days. More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. Still many worries about bending lofts due to bounce changes, and many also thinkthat shafts can lift or lower ball flight by changing dynamic loft, but without anything happening to bounce, but that cant be prevented, bounce always follows loft no matter if loft was changed due to bending, angle of attack, or adifferent shaft, all 3 scenarios has the same changes. I did this with my current set and the results are great. I highly recommend that golfers get fitted before making a large purchase on golf clubs.